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01:41:09 PM Transferable Tax Credit Presentation--lennie Dees, Master Tax Auditor, Department of Revenue
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                  HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                     February 10, 2011                                                                                          
                         1:41 p.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:41:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Thomas called the House Finance Committee meeting                                                                      
to order at 1:41 p.m.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bill Stoltze, Co-Chair                                                                                           
Representative Bill Thomas Jr., Co-Chair                                                                                        
Representative Anna Fairclough, Vice-Chair                                                                                      
Representative Mia Costello                                                                                                     
Representative Mike Doogan                                                                                                      
Representative Bryce Edgmon                                                                                                     
Representative Les Gara                                                                                                         
Representative David Guttenberg                                                                                                 
Representative Mark Neuman                                                                                                      
Representative Tammie Wilson                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Reggie Joule                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kyle Johansen, Bruce Tangeman, Deputy                                                                            
Commissioner, Department of Revenue; Lennie Dees, Master                                                                        
Tax Auditor, Department of Revenue.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
^Transferable tax credit presentation--Lennie Dees, Master                                                                      
Tax Auditor, Department of Revenue                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:41:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair    Thomas    introduced   the    legislators    and                                                                    
presentation.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara introduced a constituent from his                                                                           
district.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
BRUCE TANGEMAN,  DEPUTY COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT  OF REVENUE                                                                    
introduced himself.  He explained that the  inception of tax                                                                    
credits  offered  in the  state  was  2006. The  tax  credit                                                                    
system is complex and dynamic.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
LENNIE  DEES, MASTER  TAX  AUDITOR,  DEPARTMENT OF  REVENUE,                                                                    
introduced  the  PowerPoint   presentation  "Production  Tax                                                                    
Credits (copy on file)."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:44:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dees  discussed  Slide  3:  "Types  of  Production  Tax                                                                    
Credits,"                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Credits which may be taken against oil and gas                                                                             
     production taxes include:                                                                                                  
             „Capital Expenditure Credits                                                                                      
             „Alternative Tax Credits for Oil and Gas                                                                          
               Exploration                                                                                                      
             „Net Operating Loss ("NOL") Carry Forward                                                                         
               Credits                                                                                                          
             „Transitional Investment Expenditure ("TIE")                                                                      
               Credit                                                                                                           
             „Additional Nontransferable Tax Credits                                                                           
             „Well Lease Expenditures Credit                                                                                   
             „Cook Inlet Jack-up Rig Credit                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Guttenberg  asked about  industry  standards                                                                    
for  the mentioned  credits. He  asked if  the credits  were                                                                    
conjured  in Alaska.  Mr. Dees  responded  that the  capital                                                                    
expenditure credits  utilize the same standards  required by                                                                    
the internal revenue code.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara  asked about  credits that apply  to the                                                                    
North Slope.  He asked how  credits might be combined  for a                                                                    
field such as Prudhoe Bay.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dees   replied  that  for  Prudhoe   Bay,  a  currently                                                                    
developing oil  field, the most  applicable credits  are the                                                                    
capital expenditure  credit, net operating loss  credit, and                                                                    
the  additional  nontransferable   credit.  The  alternative                                                                    
credits for oil and gas  exploration are available for a new                                                                    
discovery outside of an existing unit.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:48:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara pointed  out that  some of  the credits                                                                    
are observed as percentages and  others as dollars. Mr. Dees                                                                    
agreed. He  noted that the  capital expenditure credit  is a                                                                    
20 percent  credit. The alternative  tax credit for  oil and                                                                    
gas  exploration  is  either  a  30  or  40  percent  credit                                                                    
depending on the  project. The net operating  loss credit is                                                                    
a   25   percent   credit.   The   transitional   investment                                                                    
expenditure  credit is  a credit  based on  a percentage  of                                                                    
capital expense occurring prior  to the Petroleum Production                                                                    
Tax  (PPT). The  additional non-transferable  tax credit  is                                                                    
strictly based  on dollars. The  small producer credit  is a                                                                    
$12  million credit  for companies  producing  less than  50                                                                    
thousand  barrels of  oil per  day. He  noted that  the well                                                                    
lease expenditure credit  is based on 40  percent of certain                                                                    
types of well lease expenditures  and is applicable in areas                                                                    
south of 68 degrees north  latitude, which is considered the                                                                    
North  Slope.  He added  that  the  Cook Inlet  jack-up  rig                                                                    
credit is based on a percentage  of the first $25 million of                                                                    
expenditures for the  first three taxpayers using  a jack up                                                                    
rig in the Cook Inlet area.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara discussed  the various  combinations of                                                                    
credits that  might provide even greater  advantages for the                                                                    
oil companies.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:52:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dees  discussed Slide 4:  "Timelines for  Production Tax                                                                    
Credits." He explained that the  credits came into existence                                                                    
with  PPT.   He  detailed  the  various   credits:  The  net                                                                    
operating loss  credit is offered  when a company  suffers a                                                                    
loss  and  their  lease expenditures  exceed  revenues.  The                                                                    
credits  underwent  changes  with   ACES.  The  statute  was                                                                    
changed so  only 50  percent of the  tax liability  could be                                                                    
taken in the year earned.  The well lease expenditure credit                                                                    
became effective July 1, 2010  for intangible drilling costs                                                                    
and seismic activity within an  existing unit in areas south                                                                    
of the North Slope.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:55:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Dees  continued   that  the   Transitional  Investment                                                                    
Expenditure Credits (TIE) credits  were effective January 1,                                                                    
2008 and  available to those companies  or producers without                                                                    
prior  production. He  mentioned  the  new area  development                                                                    
credit for $6  million came into existence  at the inception                                                                    
of the Alaskan  Clear and Equitable Share  (ACES). The small                                                                    
producer credit of $12 million came into existence at the                                                                       
inception of PPT. He finished with the Cook Inlet jack-up                                                                       
rig credit enacted last year and effective July 1, 2010.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:57:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-chair Fairclough asked if the new area development                                                                         
credit began with ACES or PPT. Mr. Dees replied PPT.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dees addressed Slide 5: "Types of Production Tax                                                                            
Credits,"                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
    Capital Expenditure Credits - (AS 43.55.023(a) (1))                                                                         
             †20% of qualified capital expenditures (QCE)                                                                      
             †QCE   include   drilling,   construction   of                                                                    
              facilities, new equipment, etc.                                                                                   
             †Same expenditures may also qualify for NOL                                                                       
               Carry Forward Credit                                                                                             
             †Same expenditures do not qualify for                                                                             
               exploration credit                                                                                               
             †Must be spread over 2 years (except for                                                                          
               expenditures incurred south of 68 degrees                                                                        
               North latitude - effective July 1, 2010)                                                                         
             †Credits may be cashed or transferred                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Capital Expenditure Credits- (AS 43.55.023(a) (1))                                                                         
        · 20 percent of qualified capital expenditures                                                                          
        · QCE include drilling, construction of facilities,                                                                     
          new equipment, etc.                                                                                                   
        · Same expenditures do not qualify for exploration                                                                      
          credit                                                                                                                
        · Must be spread over two years (except for                                                                             
          expenditures incurred south of 68 degrees North                                                                       
          latitude- effective July 1, 2010)                                                                                     
        · Credits may be cashed or transferred                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:00:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dees discussed Slide 6 "Types of Production Tax                                                                             
Credits,"                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Exploration Credits                                                                                                        
             †Two Main Types                                                                                                   
                  „Capital Credit for Exploration Activity                                                                     
                    43.55.023(a) (2) (20%)                                                                                      
                  „Alternative Tax Credits for Oil and Gas                                                                     
                    Exploration   43.55.025 (30%-40%)                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:01:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dees discussed Slide 7: "Types of Production tax                                                                            
Credits,"                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Capital Credit for Exploration Activity 43.55.023(a)                                                                       
     (2)                                                                                                                        
             †20% of qualifying expenditures                                                                                   
             †Qualifying expenditures related to geologic                                                                      
               and    geophysical    exploration,   or    in                                                                    
               connection with an exploration well                                                                              
             †Must be spread across 2 years (except for                                                                        
               expenditures incurred south of 68 degrees                                                                        
               North latitude - effective July 1, 2010)                                                                         
             †Same expenditures may also qualify for NOL                                                                       
               Carry Forward Credits                                                                                            
             †Credits may be cashed or transferred                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dees discussed Slide 8: "Types of Production tax                                                                            
Credits,"                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Exploration Credits                                                                                                        
             †Two Main Types                                                                                                   
                  „Capital Credit for Exploration Activity                                                                     
                    under 43.55.023(a) (2) (20%)                                                                                
                  „Alternative Tax Credits for Oil and Gas                                                                     
                    Exploration under 43.55.025                                                                                 
                    (30%-40%)                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dees discussed Slide 9: "Types of Production tax                                                                            
Credits,"                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Alternative Tax Credits for Oil and Gas Exploration -                                                                      
     43.55.025                                                                                                                  
             †30%   -   40%   of   qualified   expenditures                                                                    
               depending on well location and proximity to                                                                      
               existing wells and unit boundaries                                                                               
             †Qualified   expenditures    include   certain                                                                    
               expenses   associated    with   seismic   and                                                                    
               geophysical     exploration     work,     and                                                                    
               exploration well drilling                                                                                        
             †Same expenditures may also qualify for NOL                                                                       
               Carry Forward Credit                                                                                             
             †Same expenditures do not qualify for Capital                                                                     
               Expenditure Credit                                                                                               
             †To receive credit, taxpayer must provide                                                                         
               certain well data to DNR                                                                                         
             †Expires 2016                                                                                                     
             †Credits may be cashed or transferred                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:04:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara asked about  the various credits and the                                                                    
existing wells. He  asked if the alternative  tax credit for                                                                    
oil  and gas  exploration was  applied for  often. Mr.  Dees                                                                    
replied yes.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara  asked  to  know the  location  of  the                                                                    
credit's use. Mr. Dees replied  that many areas in the North                                                                    
Slope  utilized the  alternative tax  credit. Representative                                                                    
Gara asked if  it was used in an area  where development has                                                                    
occurred.  Mr. Tangeman  offered to  provide information  to                                                                    
the committee at a later date.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative Doogan asked why  the credits were stackable.                                                                    
Mr.  Dees  responded  that the  Alaska  statutes  allow  the                                                                    
stacking  of  the  credits.  He  stated  that  exclusion  by                                                                    
statute  is  necessary  to  prevent   the  stacking  of  the                                                                    
credits. He provided  the example of the  Cook Inlet jack-up                                                                    
rig  credit  where those  credits  obtained  in the  section                                                                    
cannot be used in AS 43.55.023.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Tangeman  added that the  goal of the  stackable credits                                                                    
was to provide further incentive to the oil companies.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Guttenberg  asked   about  coordination  and                                                                    
communication  between DOR  and  the  Department of  Natural                                                                    
Resources (DNR).  Mr. Dees replied that  the alternative tax                                                                    
credit requires that an audit  is performed prior to issuing                                                                    
the credit. An application  received requires the sharing of                                                                    
information with DNR as part of the process.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-chair Fairclough  asked if  it was typical  for credits                                                                    
to  be stacked  on  national and  international levels.  Mr.                                                                    
Dees  replied   that  only  Alaska   offers  this   type  of                                                                    
production tax statute.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Vice-chair Fairclough  asked if  the purpose of  the statute                                                                    
was  to provide  incentive to  the oil  companies. Mr.  Dees                                                                    
stated that he was not able to comment.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Vice-chair  Fairclough  pointed   out  that  the  particular                                                                    
incentive was  to inspire exploration  and must be  used for                                                                    
development past the 2008 cycle.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:11:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dees  responded  yes,  the  30  to  40  percent  credit                                                                    
requires activity beyond July 1,  2008. An application for a                                                                    
period  prior  to July  1,  2008  falls  under the  old  PPT                                                                    
statute granting 20 to 40 percent.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Vice-chair   Fairclough  concluded   that  the   legislature                                                                    
intended that  the tax credits  incentivize a  pipeline that                                                                    
was in decline.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Costello  asked  if any  tax  credits  apply                                                                    
specifically  to  fields that  are  not  unitized. Mr.  Dees                                                                    
responded that  the credits apply  to leases  and properties                                                                    
within the  state. Some  cases deal  with leases  and others                                                                    
with  units.  These  particular   credits  imply  that  they                                                                    
include only activity that is outside of the unit.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative Costello  asked how often  companies transfer                                                                    
tax credits. Mr. Dees replied  occasionally. He claimed that                                                                    
activity waned  in recent years.  He opined that  the change                                                                    
may have inspired  last year's law eliminating  the 24 month                                                                    
reinvestment requirement. Representative  Costello asked the                                                                    
reason for  the waning. Mr. Dees  believed that reinvestment                                                                    
might be the reason for the waning.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dees commented  that under  both PPT  and the  original                                                                    
ACES  a person  with a  transferable tax  credit certificate                                                                    
who wished  to sell to the  state must show that  they spent                                                                    
an additional  percentage of qualified  capital expenditures                                                                    
in order for the state to  cash the credit out. The 24 month                                                                    
reinvestment   requirement  became   a   problem  for   some                                                                    
companies.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:15:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Neuman wondered  if specific  well data  was                                                                    
sealed from other companies. Mr.  Dees replied that the well                                                                    
data is available after a period of time.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Thomas   presented  a  scenario  to   explain  the                                                                    
disclosure of well data.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:17:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara recalled that  in 2007, legislators were                                                                    
told  that the  remaining oil  on the  North Slope  was more                                                                    
difficult and expensive  to locate and that  the stacking of                                                                    
credits combined  with deductions were necessary  to provide                                                                    
generous  investment  incentives  to  spur  development.  He                                                                    
commented that oil production has declined since 1990.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Tangeman offered  to  speak to  the  number of  credits                                                                    
applied for, but  he believed that the  producers must speak                                                                    
to the effectiveness of the process.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:19:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dees  discussed  Slide 10:  "Types  of  Production  tax                                                                    
Credits,"                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Alternative Tax Credits for Oil and Gas Exploration -                                                                      
     43.55.025                                                                                                                  
             †30%   -   40%   of   qualified   expenditures                                                                    
               depending on well location and proximity to                                                                      
               existing wells and unit boundaries                                                                               
             †Qualified   expenditures    include   certain                                                                    
               expenses   associated    with   seismic   and                                                                    
               geophysical     exploration     work,     and                                                                    
               exploration well drilling                                                                                        
             †Same expenditures may also qualify for NOL                                                                       
               Carry Forward Credit                                                                                             
             †Same expenditures do not qualify for Capital                                                                     
               Expenditure Credit                                                                                               
             †To receive credit, taxpayer must provide                                                                         
               certain well data to DNR                                                                                         
             †Expires 2016                                                                                                     
             †Credits may be cashed or transferred                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dees  addressed  Slide 11:  "Types  of  Production  tax                                                                    
Credits,"                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Transitional Investment Expenditure (TIE) Credits                                                                          
     43.55.023(i)                                                                                                               
             †Credit equals 20% of qualifying capital                                                                          
               expenditures:                                                                                                    
                  „ incurred between March 31, 2001 and                                                                        
                    April 1, 2006,  and                                                                                         
                  „ not exceeding 10% of the capital                                                                           
                    expenditures incurred between March 31,                                                                     
                    2006 and January 1, 2008.                                                                                   
             †Revised under Aces to  cover only producer or                                                                    
               explorer not having production prior to                                                                          
               January 1, 2008                                                                                                  
             †Credits are  not transferable and may  not be                                                                    
               carried forward beyond 2013                                                                                      
             †Same  capital  expenditures may  not  qualify                                                                    
               for exploration credit under 43.55.025                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:21:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Guttenberg   asked  about  the   point  "not                                                                    
exceeding 10  percent of  the capital  expenditures incurred                                                                    
between March 31, 2006 and  January 1, 2008." He wondered if                                                                    
the state completed the 2006  North Slope production audits.                                                                    
Mr.  Dees  replied  that the  department  is  "substantially                                                                    
complete" with the 2006 audit.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative Guttenberg clarified that  the state does not                                                                    
have  all of  the  necessary information  to  aid in  future                                                                    
policy. Mr. Dees concurred.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dees  discussed  Slide 12:  "Types  of  Production  tax                                                                    
Credits,"                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
    Additional Nontransferable Tax Credit- 43.55.024(a)                                                                         
             †Referred to as "New Area Development" credit                                                                     
             †Up to $6 million                                                                                                 
             †Available   for   companies  producing   from                                                                    
               leases or properties outside of Cook Inlet                                                                       
               and North Slope                                                                                                  
             †Credit  can  only   be  applied  against  tax                                                                    
               liability                                                                                                        
             †Expires   2016  or   9   years  after   first                                                                    
               commercial oil or gas production if before                                                                       
               May 1, 2016                                                                                                      
             †Credits may  not be cashed or  transferred or                                                                    
               carried forward                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:24:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dees  discussed  Slide 13:  "Types  of  Production  tax                                                                    
Credits,"                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Small Producer Credit - 43.55.024(c)                                                                                       
             †Up to  $12 million,  depending upon  level of                                                                    
               production                                                                                                       
             †Available for  companies producing  less than                                                                    
               100,000 bbl/day of oil BTU-equivalent                                                                            
             †Production not restricted by region                                                                              
             †Credit  can  only   be  applied  against  tax                                                                    
               liability                                                                                                        
             †Expires   2016  or   9   years  after   first                                                                    
               commercial oil or gas production if before                                                                       
               May 1, 2016                                                                                                      
             †Credits may  not be cashed or  transferred or                                                                    
               carried forward                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Guttenberg  asked  why  the  small  producer                                                                    
credit is not transferred, carried forward, or cashed.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dees replied that the credit  is not based on a level of                                                                    
capital expenditure.  He noted that  the credit is  based on                                                                    
production  of less  than 50  thousand barrels  per day.  He                                                                    
added that  AS 43.55.024(a)  is based on  production outside                                                                    
of Cook Inlet or the North Slope.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara  asked if the  credit applies  to fields                                                                    
already in production prior to  the inception of the credit.                                                                    
Mr. Dees replied yes, although  expiration occurs after nine                                                                    
years.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:27:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara  pointed  out   that  only  two  fields                                                                    
produce more than 100 thousand  barrels per day on the North                                                                    
Slope. He noted  that the credit applies  to virtually every                                                                    
field  except  for  Kuparuk  and  Prudhoe  Bay.  He  opposed                                                                    
incentives  that provide  money  for  production already  in                                                                    
place.  Mr. Dees  concurred. He  added that  the credit  has                                                                    
little  impact on  the state  budget because  a company  can                                                                    
only apply for the amount of their tax liability.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:29:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dees noted Slide 14: "Types of Production tax Credits,"                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Well Lease Expenditure Credit - 43.55.023(l)                                                                               
             †40%  of well  lease expenditures  incurred in                                                                    
               the state south of 68 degrees north latitude                                                                     
             †Must   be   intangible  drilling   costs   or                                                                    
               geological / geophysical exploration                                                                             
             †Credit may be applied against tax liability,                                                                     
               or certificated and cashed or transferred to                                                                     
               another taxpayer                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:31:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Guttenberg   asked   if  the   well   lease                                                                    
expenditure credit had been used.  Mr. Dees replied that the                                                                    
credit went  into effect  July 1, 2010.  He stated  that the                                                                    
department received  a few applications for  the credit. The                                                                    
companies  are required  to  provide  their yearend  true-up                                                                    
filings with the department on March 31, 2011.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative Guttenberg  stated that the purposes  for the                                                                    
credits  and  lease  expenditures   were  to  encourage  the                                                                    
industry  to  produce, but  the  credits  were for  required                                                                    
activities.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:33:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dees continued  with the  presentation  with slide  15:                                                                    
"Types of Production Tax Credits,"                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Cook Inlet Jack-Up Rig Credit - 43.55.025(l)                                                                               
             †Credit of 100%/90%/80% of up to $25 million                                                                      
               each of exploration  expenditures for first 3                                                                    
               unaffiliated  persons  drilling  wells  using                                                                    
               the   same  jack   up  rig   penetrating  and                                                                    
               evaluating  prospects   in  the  pre-Tertiary                                                                    
               zone.                                                                                                            
             †Taxpayer obtaining credit may not claim .023                                                                     
               credit for same expenditures                                                                                     
             †50% of credit to be repaid over 10 year                                                                          
               period if well yields sustained production                                                                       
2:35:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Neuman  queried the  effective date  of March                                                                    
31,  2010,   and  wondered  if  there   was  an  application                                                                    
deadline.  Mr. Dees  replied  that  he was  not  aware of  a                                                                    
deadline.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Neuman  asked about  a specific  deadline for                                                                    
the drilling of  the wells. Mr. Dees stated that  he was not                                                                    
aware of a specific deadline in the statute.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Neuman  wondered  about protection  for  the                                                                    
state when  various wells are operating  under one corporate                                                                    
umbrella. Mr.  Tangeman stated that the  question was better                                                                    
suited for the  Department of Law (DOL). He  stated that the                                                                    
deadline   applied  only   for  the   first  well   drilled.                                                                    
Representative  Neuman  wondered  if wells  were  considered                                                                    
separate  if they  came off  a  lateral line  from the  main                                                                    
well. Mr. Dees was unsure.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:37:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-chair Fairclough  asked if  repayment of 50  percent of                                                                    
the credit  over ten  years calculated  $25 million  for the                                                                    
first  person on  the scene.  Mr. Dees  replied that  if the                                                                    
well  was successful  and  sustained commercial  production,                                                                    
then the  repayment would be  50 percent of the  $25 million                                                                    
for the  first well. The  second well is eligible  for $22.5                                                                    
million.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:38:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dees  discussed  Slide  17:  "Credits  Applied  Against                                                                    
Production Tax Liability,"                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
      Cook Inlet Jack-Up Rig Credit - 43.55.025(l)                                                                              
             †Credit of 100%/90%/80% of up to $25 million                                                                      
               each of exploration  expenditures for first 3                                                                    
               unaffiliated  persons  drilling  wells  using                                                                    
               the   same  jack   up  rig   penetrating  and                                                                    
               evaluating  prospects   in  the  pre-Tertiary                                                                    
               zone.                                                                                                            
             †Taxpayer obtaining credit may not claim .023                                                                     
               credit for same expenditures                                                                                     
             †50% of credit to be repaid over 10 year                                                                          
               period if well yields sustained production                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:39:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dees  displayed  Slide   18:  "Production  Tax  Credits                                                                    
Applied Against  Tax Liability (Fiscal Year)."  He explained                                                                    
that   that  when   the   taxpayer   performs  its   monthly                                                                    
installment or  annual tax filing, they  withhold the amount                                                                    
of the  credit taken.  The deduction  comes from  the amount                                                                    
paid  to  the  state.  The table  illustrates  the  type  of                                                                    
credits seen on some tax filings.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:42:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dees  discussed  Slide   19:  "Production  Tax  Credits                                                                    
Applied Against Tax Liability."                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara  pointed out  Slide 18, and  queried the                                                                    
TIE   credit.  The   credit  was   for   the  prior   year's                                                                    
investments. He  remarked that by removing  the TIE credits,                                                                    
capital credits have raised every  year since 2008. Mr. Dees                                                                    
agreed with Representative Gara's assessment.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:44:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Guttenberg  queried the  exploration credits,                                                                    
and the  percentage of  expenditures for  the amount  in the                                                                    
years  represented.  He  wished  to  assess  the  amount  of                                                                    
exploration. He  remarked on seismic research  in Alaska. He                                                                    
requested  further  conversations  with  DNR  regarding  the                                                                    
amount of exploration and the representative credits.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:45:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dees  continued with Slide 21:  "Timeline for processing                                                                    
of  Transferable   Credit  under   AS  43.55.023   (a)."  He                                                                    
explained   that  the   explorers   who   apply  for   those                                                                    
certificates undertake  the illustrated timeline.  Under the                                                                    
established   regulations,    taxpayers   can    apply   for                                                                    
certificates on  a quarterly basis.  The graph  exhibits the                                                                    
timeframe that DOR  has to complete the  process and deliver                                                                    
the credits.  The department has  120 days after  March 31st                                                                    
following the  year that the  expenditures were  incurred to                                                                    
either  grant  or  deny  the   tax  credit.  The  department                                                                    
endeavors  to hurry  the process  further  than the  statute                                                                    
mandates. Once the taxpayer  receives their transferable tax                                                                    
certificate,  they are  able to  apply for  cash. Typically,                                                                    
from the time  that an expenditure is made to  the time that                                                                    
cash is applied for is 18 months.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:48:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Guttenberg  wondered   if  the  timeline  is                                                                    
shortened with  the expertise and  efficiency of  the master                                                                    
auditors. Mr.  Dees responded that  the processes  have been                                                                    
streamlined  with  additional  auditors.  He  noted  that  a                                                                    
department  group   was  created   to  address   tax  credit                                                                    
applications. He  pointed out that  audit work  is currently                                                                    
performed up-front,  but the statutes allow  audit rights at                                                                    
any time. A due diligence  review is performed following the                                                                    
application    process.   Certain    information   of    the                                                                    
expenditures is  requested. He noted  that the  formal audit                                                                    
process comes later.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Guttenberg   asked  again  about   the  2006                                                                    
audits. He wondered  if audits would be  performed faster in                                                                    
the future.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dees  responded  that  a   tax  credit  application  is                                                                    
different than a  filing. He noted that tax  filings are for                                                                    
producers that  pay the tax  liability and perform  the true                                                                    
up. The  tax credit  applications exist for  those taxpayers                                                                    
without a tax  liability. He noted the right  to audit after                                                                    
the fact,  but in  most cases, the  due diligence  review is                                                                    
sufficient.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:52:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Neuman  asked  if   a  time  limit  for  the                                                                    
mentioned look-back period was  applicable. Mr. Dees replied                                                                    
that the  assessment period for  a tax filing is  six years.                                                                    
He  explained that  the tax  is calculated  on the  calendar                                                                    
year and by March 31 of  the following year will provide the                                                                    
true-up calculation.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Neuman  asked  if unpaid  taxis  require  an                                                                    
interest payment. Mr. Dees replied  that the department uses                                                                    
the federal short term monthly interest rates.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara  commented on  the gross tax,  which was                                                                    
deemed  more   reliable  and  required  less   auditing.  He                                                                    
recalled  that sufficient  auditors  were  not available  to                                                                    
ensure accurate  payments for the  taxes owed. He  asked the                                                                    
department's  opinion  about  the amount  of  auditors.  Mr.                                                                    
Tangeman  stated that  the audit  master positions  helped a                                                                    
great  deal. He  noted that  2006 was  the first  audit that                                                                    
included a net  tax. He believed that the  current amount of                                                                    
auditors was sufficient.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:57:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Costello asked the  result of the audits. Mr.                                                                    
Tangeman  responded that  confidentiality issues  compromise                                                                    
his ability to disclose the information.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Tangeman commented  on areas that will  be contested due                                                                    
to varying interpretations of the statute.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dees  detailed Slide  22:  "Timeline  for processing  a                                                                    
Transferable Tax Credit  Certificate under AS 43.55.023(b)."                                                                    
He stated that  the loss can only be interpreted  at the end                                                                    
of the calendar year.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dees  discussed Slide 23: "Timeline  for Application for                                                                    
AS   43.55.025   Alternative   Credit  for   Oil   and   Gas                                                                    
Exploration."  He explained  that the  taxpayer/producer has                                                                    
six months  to file for  the credit following  completion of                                                                    
the project.  If a  taxpayer has a  tax liability,  and they                                                                    
are  submitting a  claim,  they are  allowed  to offset  the                                                                    
claim  against the  liability. Adjustments  in the  eventual                                                                    
amount of  the credit  through audit  lead to  assessment of                                                                    
the difference.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:00:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dees  discussed  Slide  24:  "Transferable  Tax  Credit                                                                    
Certificates"                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Companies may also claim tax credits by applying for a                                                                     
     Transferable Tax Credit Certificate (TTCC)                                                                                 
             †Available to companies (explorers) with no                                                                       
               tax liability to which credits can be                                                                            
               applied                                                                                                          
             †Tax Credit Certificates under 43.55.023(a)                                                                       
               and  (b) must  be split  or applied  over two                                                                    
               years    (except     credits    issued    for                                                                    
               expenditures  incurred  south of  68  degrees                                                                    
               North latitude effective July 1, 2010)                                                                           
             †May be transferred to another taxpayer or                                                                        
               cashed with the state                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dees  discussed Slide 25: "Production  Tax Credits Under                                                                    
AS  43.55  Claimed  by  FY   ($M)."  The  graph  illustrates                                                                    
activity witnessed since the inception of the credits.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Guttenberg asked if  the category titled pre-                                                                    
2007  included   all  activity  prior  to   2007.  Mr.  Dees                                                                    
responded yes.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wilson   asked  if  the   legislature  could                                                                    
ascertain  the   effectiveness  of  specific   credits.  Mr.                                                                    
Tangeman  thought  it  impossible  to  tie  barrels  of  oil                                                                    
produced  to   a  certain  tax  credit.   He  believed  that                                                                    
confidentiality  issues would  prevent the  gleaning of  the                                                                    
requested information.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wilson wished  to ascertain the effectiveness                                                                    
of  certain  tax  credits. Mr.  Tangeman  responded  that  a                                                                    
decline  curve  would be  difficult  to  employ in  deducing                                                                    
barrels of oil produced.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:06:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Neuman  asked if  the years  illustrated were                                                                    
fiscal  years  or  calendar years.  Mr.  Tangeman  responded                                                                    
fiscal years.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Neuman asked  about  the story  told by  the                                                                    
data about  successful investments  in Alaska.  Mr. Tangeman                                                                    
responded  that  tax  credits  are  applied  for  and  used.                                                                    
Activity occurred  for tax credit applications.  He believed                                                                    
that  DNR  could  provide additional  information  regarding                                                                    
production. He  claimed that  DOR can show  how much  of the                                                                    
credit system is used. The  results of the credit system are                                                                    
not the specialty of DOR.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara commented  on  the  net operating  loss                                                                    
credit.  He asked  about the  money spent  on the  operating                                                                    
loss credits  and whether the  wells became  productive. Mr.                                                                    
Tangeman offered to research the  question and report to the                                                                    
committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:08:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Thomas  asked if  a tax  break for  royalties might                                                                    
simplify  the process  for the  oil  industry. Mr.  Tangeman                                                                    
stated that the tax credits  are observed during the current                                                                    
meeting, but the  producers might speak to the  needs of the                                                                    
industry.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:10:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara commented  that  DOR reported  recently                                                                    
that   capital  credit   applications   were  working.   The                                                                    
governor's proposal  claims that  the current system  is not                                                                    
effective.  He  stated that  he  was  provided with  various                                                                    
answers from the department.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Tangeman stated  that the system itself  is working. The                                                                    
industry  is  taking  advantage   of  the  credits  offered.                                                                    
Capital  investment was  up.  The  individual successes  are                                                                    
difficult to  discern. He  stated that  the credits  and tax                                                                    
rates are an important equation.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Guttenberg added  that the  state wishes  to                                                                    
see an increase  in exploration. He wondered  if the credits                                                                    
were effective in increasing production.  He asked where the                                                                    
revenue  forecast  indicated  that   the  credits  have  the                                                                    
desired effect.  Mr. Tangeman responded  that the  system is                                                                    
working for the  department. He was not  prepared to discuss                                                                    
the results.  He stated that  he would discuss  results when                                                                    
the governor's bill was presented.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:16:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Thomas  commented  on  the increased  use  of  tax                                                                    
credits.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Tangeman  stated that  he  relies  on the  industry  to                                                                    
provide information about their  plans. The credit estimates                                                                    
are based on industry testimony.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dees  added that Slide 25  depicted information received                                                                    
through  January  4,  2011.  He  expected  to  receive  more                                                                    
applications.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dees  introduced  Slide 26:  "Transferable  Tax  Credit                                                                    
Certificates." He  commented that the chart  was a graphical                                                                    
depiction of the previous slide.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dees  discussed  Slide  27:  "Transferable  Tax  Credit                                                                    
Certificate Activity by Fiscal  Year ($M). He explained that                                                                    
the slide depicts the dollar  value issued each fiscal year,                                                                    
the amount  refunded, and the amount  transferred or applied                                                                    
to  taxes.   As  of   February  4,   2011,  the   state  had                                                                    
approximately $73  million worth of transferable  tax credit                                                                    
certificates outstanding  and available to be  submitted for                                                                    
cash.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Guttenberg asked if  the fiscal year basis is                                                                    
consistent throughout industry and the departments.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:19:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dees replied  that most taxpayers operate  on a calendar                                                                    
year basis.  The state's  basis is  converted to  the fiscal                                                                    
year. He noted  that the refunded amounts tie  to the amount                                                                    
paid in fiscal  years. With the elimination of  the 24 month                                                                    
reinvestment   period,  the   state  encountered   increased                                                                    
activity in  the processing the  claims for cash  refunds of                                                                    
the  credit  certificates.  The projection  is  for  a  $430                                                                    
million impact of production tax  credits. He added that the                                                                    
department  uses the  fiscal year  to interpret  information                                                                    
viewed on other state financial statements.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dees discussed Slide 29: "Cash Refunds History,"                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
   Cash Refunds Governed by AS 43.55.028:                                                                                       
     • To cash must be usable against tax liability                                                                             
     • Must show subsequent (24 months) QCEs or lease bids                                                                      
        equal to cash sought (repealed in 2010)                                                                                 
     • Have a zero tax owed in current and past years                                                                           
     • Have no more than 50,000 BOE/d                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:23:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dees discussed  Slide 30:  "Cash Refunds  History." The                                                                    
slide illustrated  the tax credits purchased  by fiscal year                                                                    
from 2007 through 2/4/11.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dees discussed  Slide 31:  "Cash Refunds  History." The                                                                    
slide provides  an overview  of the oil  and gas  tax credit                                                                    
fund. The current balance of the fund is $75 million.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Guttenberg  wondered  what  would  occur  if                                                                    
further  appropriations were  not made.  Mr. Dees  responded                                                                    
that  the statute  reads  that the  state  would refund  tax                                                                    
credits as the appropriations are available.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:25:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dees illustrated  Slide 32:  "Impact of  Production Tax                                                                    
Credits Total  State Stimulus." He explained  that the slide                                                                    
depicts  the   total  impact  of  the   stimulus  since  the                                                                    
inception of PPT on a fiscal year basis.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dees introduced Slide 33:  "Capital Expenditures by Year                                                                    
($M)."                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Doogan  referred to  Slide 31  and understood                                                                    
that   the   industry   spent  $2.7   billion   in   capital                                                                    
expenditures  and  $900 million  was  then  refunded by  the                                                                    
state. He  deduced that  the state covers  one third  of the                                                                    
costs with  the oil industry  responsible for two  thirds of                                                                    
the  costs.  Mr. Dees  pointed  out  the  lag time  for  the                                                                    
transferrable  tax  credit certificates.  Expenditures  that                                                                    
gave rise  to the  credits occurred  in earlier  periods. He                                                                    
did not recommend the comparison.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:29:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Doogan   asked  if  the   numbers  presented                                                                    
represent  a  one  third, two  third  comparison.  Mr.  Dees                                                                    
concurred.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Neuman asked  about  credits  sold from  one                                                                    
company to another. He wondered  about the average price for                                                                    
of the credits. Mr. Dees replied  that he was unaware of the                                                                    
average  price  because  the   transaction  is  between  two                                                                    
private companies. The state honors  the certificate at full                                                                    
value. Mr. Tangeman added that  the change in the law states                                                                    
that a company  is not required to hold  the certificate for                                                                    
a  full 24  months and  then reinvest  the like  amount. The                                                                    
certificates  can be  turned in  for cash  immediately, thus                                                                    
eliminating the market.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:32:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 3:32 PM                                                                                            

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
Production Tax Credits for 02.10.11 House Finance Committee.pdf HFIN 2/10/2011 1:30:00 PM